trifecta help plz

[siccracingturtle]

alright so i got a local tuner here in south fl.. he said he can tune my balt for 300 bucks... my mods are cold air header downpipe 2.25 exhaust 2.4 mani and 90 shot... he told me that he has to tune my car for nitrous.. but i kinda wanted to get an all motor tune cuz i dont spray every race. he told me that its unsafe to run an all motor tune and spray.. is there any truth in this and if i get the nitrous tune will i see any differnce in performance wen im not spraying ?

 

[huckernage]

alright so i got a local tuner here in south fl.. he said he can tune my balt for 300 bucks... my mods are cold air header downpipe 2.25 exhaust 2.4 mani and 90 shot... he told me that he has to tune my car for nitrous.. but i kinda wanted to get an all motor tune cuz i dont spray every race. he told me that its unsafe to run an all motor tune and spray.. is there any truth in this and if i get the nitrous tune will i see any differnce in performance wen im not spraying ?

-we have to subtract timing to make the NOS safe
so, it might not make quite as much power when not running NOS
-i have solved this on LS1 by modifying PCM code to switch timing tables based on grounding a pin at the PCM
-so you can essentially have two tunes in the PCM
-when he flips the NOS on, it also switches tunes
-it can be made to work on L61
i just need to write the code to do it

i was supposed to tune a G5 on 100hp and it was the question i ask for vince

ask your tuner about that, it possible.

 

[Jn2]

Is it a wet or dry shot? I it's dry u must tune for it. If it's wet than don't sweat it. Get a all motor tune.

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Yeah I thought about he timing thing. U may want to ask Vince I he can do selecable tune on ur car like on he lnf, so when cruis control is on u cam be on n2o tune and when IRS off u can b on na tune

 

[siccracingturtle]

-we have to subtract timing to make the NOS safe
so, it might not make quite as much power when not running NOS
-i have solved this on LS1 by modifying PCM code to switch timing tables based on grounding a pin at the PCM
-so you can essentially have two tunes in the PCM
-when he flips the NOS on, it also switches tunes
-it can be made to work on L61
i just need to write the code to do it

i was supposed to tune a G5 on 100hp and it was the question i ask for vince

ask your tuner about that, it possible.

so the only differnce is the tune is that the timing is retarded a bit ? and wat is unsafe about running a all motor tune on spray? because im running the spray now without retarding the timing

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Is it a wet or dry shot? I it's dry u must tune for it. If it's wet than don't sweat it. Get a all motor tune.

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Yeah I thought about he timing thing. U may want to ask Vince I he can do selecable tune on ur car like on he lnf, so when cruis control is on u cam be on n2o tune and when IRS off u can b on na tune

its a wet kit .. i dont think they offer a switchable tune for the l61 do they ?

 

[huckernage]

you running 50 shot that ok. but 75 dont not spray on fourth gear

retarded timing is needed on nos for optimized it

wet or dry a tune is always better


switchable tune on l61 : it can be made to work on L61
i just need to write the code to do it

 

[siccracingturtle]

you running 50 shot that ok. but 75 dont not spray on fourth gear

retarded timing is needed on nos for optimized it

wet or dry a tune is always better


switchable tune on l61 : it can be made to work on L61
i just need to write the code to do it

so spraying in fourth isnt gud ? lol cuz i always spray fourth gear lol... so u can put a tune together for me ? does trifecta offer a loader that plugs into the ob2 harness to swtich the tunes ?

 

[huckernage]

i have seen someone burned 4 piston on 75 hp in fourth gear. it up to you

you have to speak with your dealer. but you have all info here to get what you want for your project.

or buy EZ and a tune and you could directly speak with vince about your project.
and when riding you can always log you car if something is going wrong.

 

[siccracingturtle]

i have seen someone burned 4 piston on 75 hp in fourth gear. it up to you

you have to speak with your dealer. but you have all info here to get what you want for your project.

or buy EZ and a tune and you could directly speak with vince about your project.
and when riding you can always log you car if something is going wrong.

how much is the ez and tune ? how much power should i except for a tune ? on and off spray? cuz it kinda seems like it aint worth it lol

 

[huckernage]

all info are on trifectaperformance.com

maybe10-15hp and tq wo spray
and if you put a 100 you ll have 100 but it ll be safer on your engine

with ez you can begin to tune for him as a ind. dealer

 

[siccracingturtle]

all info are on trifectaperformance.com

maybe10-15hp and tq wo spray
and if you put a 100 you ll have 100 but it ll be safer on your engine

with ez you can begin to tune for him as a ind. dealer

and itll give me a better power band .. remove seepd limiter and pe delay, and move rpm to 720o rpms right anything else ?

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all info are on trifectaperformance.com

maybe10-15hp and tq wo spray
and if you put a 100 you ll have 100 but it ll be safer on your engine

with ez you can begin to tune for him as a ind. dealer

thats wats up.. how would i do that?

 

[huckernage]

and itll give me a better power band .. remove seepd limiter and pe delay, and move rpm to 720o rpms right anything else ?

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thats wats up.. how would i do that?

send a PM to trifecta. he is in better position to answer you.

you car wont be the same after normal tune. i hated when a honshit passed me cause i block at 172km/hr

 

[siccracingturtle]

send a PM to trifecta. he is in better position to answer you.

you car wont be the same after normal tune. i hated when a honshit passed me cause i block at 172km/hr

wat do u mean after a normal tune ? yea honestly i just wanna keep up with a bone stock si all motor lol

 

[huckernage]

wat do u mean after a normal tune ? yea honestly i just wanna keep up with a bone stock si all motor lol

oup custom tune. you ll keep up as far as vince ll tell you no improvement i can do


si. what that s mean.

 

[Sully]

I'll agree with Huckernace on most everything he is saying. I wouldnt ecpetct to see more than 7 max hp out of the tunes, bt you should shave about a half a second of your 1/4times. As far as revlimiter and such, yes that can be removed.

Tuning for nitrous depends on the type of shot (i know you said you are running wet but i want to clear things up for ya) that you are running as well as the size. With a dry shot, your cars fuel injectors supply the needed increase in fuel and must be tuned accordingly. If you run the same tune without the nitrous you simply are WAY too rich and the car will run like crap and MPG will drop like a rock. With a wet shot (definitely the safer route) the fuel is pumped to a sized jet and injected in the same spot as the nitrous. The size of the jets itself is what does the tuning for AFRs. You will need to retard your timing different amounts at different rpms to be safe. That retard is from the max timing though. The reason you can run a 50 shot on your stock tune and not worry too much is that GM doesn't push the timing way up to where is the max. When you go with a custom tune like trifecta the afr's and the timing are adjusted to be at the best setting for your car with your modification. From that point to add nitrous in the mix could be ok or could be fatal for your car. You are better to yank 2 or 3 degrees and be safe. There is also more power to be had from retarding the timing. You start knocking any and the car is going to pull timing like its nothing. So if you pull 3 and runn fine, its better than not pulling any and the car pulling 10. Make sense? Also with your nitrous setup, you need to tune the jets sizes in as well. The numbers the manufacturer gave you for jet sizing is just a general guidline. If you want to get 50 at the wheels and be safe as possible, get on a dyno and tune em in. You can street tune em if you have a wideband or a data logging device like your trifecta dealer has. Start small and step them up as you know the car is ready for it. I run a 150shot wet on my LIncoln LS and when I first started tuning it I had jets for 25rwhp. I only got 20, and my afrs werent right. I have since tuned em in all the way and have my afrs where I want them and an actual 150 horse at the wheels.

I think its funny that your in florida and the people helping you are trifecta guys from Ontario (me) and Quebec (Huck)

 

[huckernage]

good writing

 

[siccracingturtle]

I'll agree with Huckernace on most everything he is saying. I wouldnt ecpetct to see more than 7 max hp out of the tunes, bt you should shave about a half a second of your 1/4times. As far as revlimiter and such, yes that can be removed.

Tuning for nitrous depends on the type of shot (i know you said you are running wet but i want to clear things up for ya) that you are running as well as the size. With a dry shot, your cars fuel injectors supply the needed increase in fuel and must be tuned accordingly. If you run the same tune without the nitrous you simply are WAY too rich and the car will run like crap and MPG will drop like a rock. With a wet shot (definitely the safer route) the fuel is pumped to a sized jet and injected in the same spot as the nitrous. The size of the jets itself is what does the tuning for AFRs. You will need to retard your timing different amounts at different rpms to be safe. That retard is from the max timing though. The reason you can run a 50 shot on your stock tune and not worry too much is that GM doesn't push the timing way up to where is the max. When you go with a custom tune like trifecta the afr's and the timing are adjust to be at the best setting for your car with your modification. From that point to add nitrous in the mix could be ok or could be fatal for your car. You are better to yank 2 or 3 degrees and be safe. There is also more power to be had from retarding the timing. You start knocking any and the car is going to pull timing like its nothing. So if you pull 3 and runn fine, its better than not pulling any and the car pulling 10. Make sense? Also with your nitrous setup, you need to tune the jets sizes in as well. The numbers the manufacturer gave you for jet sizing is just a general guidline. If you want to get 50 at the wheels and be safe as possible, get on a dyno and tune em in. You can street tune em if you have a wideband or a data logging device like your trifecta dealer has. Start small and step them up as you know the car is ready for it. I run a 150shot wet on my LIncoln LS and when I first started tuning it I had jets for 25rwhp. I only got 20, and my afrs werent right. I have since tuned em in all the way and have my afrs where I want them and an actual 150 horse at the wheels.

I think its funny that your in florida and the people helping you are trifecta guys from Ontario (me) and Quebec (Huck)

ok ok it all makes sense now .. i didnt no that wen u run nitrous the motor retards the timing itself.. it just suck that i cant capitalize on all the power my car can make all motor. but i talked to my tuner and he told me he will talk to vince on tuesday to see if they can make me to tunes and get me a ez cable. since i dont have cruise control and traction control to run the switchable tune

 

[huckernage]

ok ok it all makes sense now .. i didnt no that wen u run nitrous the motor retards the timing itself.. it just suck that i cant capitalize on all the power my car can make all motor. but i talked to my tuner and he told me he will talk to vince on tuesday to see if they can make me to tunes and get me a ez cable. since i dont have cruise control and traction control to run the switchable tune

push rear window defrost lol he should be able to do it.


you can have a message say ''redbull mode'' ''grandma mode'' in your cluster. with that you will be sure that you are on NOS tune

 

[siccracingturtle]

push rear window defrost lol he should be able to do it.


you can have a message say ''redbull mode'' ''grandma mode'' in your cluster. with that you will be sure that you are on NOS tune

holy shit for real !! that would be awesome ! could my dealer do that ?

 

[huckernage]

you are in FL im sure you never use defrost.

on TC infinboost tuned. the message is competitive mode

ask him if it possible we never know. he always surprised me with things like that

 

[siccracingturtle]

you are in FL im sure you never use defrost.

on TC infinboost tuned. the message is competitive mode

ask him if it possible we never know. he always surprised me with things like that

yea i never use it lol... 80 degree in winter.. but that would be mad cool if he could do that for me... so i should go thru vince then ? instead of this other tuner down here ?