Cobalt Suspsension

[Your new god]

they are an upgrade from OEM even if you have done a TC FE5 swap.
B&Gs seem to be the best option I have seen currently for height and dampening ease with performance.

they are actually a downgrade from stock. they have zero rebound control. this is very important in suspension.

i'll be more than happy to road race a street delta chassis with coil overs vs a well thought out shock/strut combination.

 

[Cobalt Tom]

not since this thread was posted haha

 

[Aikidoshadow]

they are actually a downgrade from stock. they have zero rebound control. this is very important in suspension.

i'll be more than happy to road race a street delta chassis with coil overs vs a well thought out shock/strut combination.

You have no control over the OEM dampening or rebound, you have no control over anything, its a set rate and height. So that doesn't make any sense. Now if you said actual performance in rebound and dampening then I would have to ask for proof since everyone else I have read and seen has been pleased with them (minus the PITA dampening adjustment) up until you really?

And considering that your only choices are OEM FE3 or FE5 (SC) FE5(TC), KYB, Koni, (dampeners) KW Variant, the CA Coilovers, JBPs coilovers, or B&G coilovers we really don't have much room to bitch or complain.

 

[AAS G5]

koni's are horrible for street/track use.

I love my Konis ride is better than stock shocks.

Koni Yellow Shocks

KONIs are not the average shock absorber, they feature a number of standards that make them unique:

KONI Sport dampers are externally adjustable by means of a knob, so they need not be disassembled from the car. The fine-tuning of the damping forces to personal driving style and to different driving conditions takes a matter of seconds. The best of fine-tuning technology straight from the world of Formula 1 racing. KONI Sport Dampers serves sporting drivers with a carefully designed range adjustment ranges and ride comfort. This line focuses on exceptional road-holding and handling properties, combined with an acceptable level of comfort.
KONI Sports improve the ride and handling of your car. The damping characteristics are developed for each particular application. Koni's specialists keep on testing and modifying until they are convinced they reached the optimum in both handling and comfort.

Along with a lifetime manufacturer warranty, these shocks are some of the best deals around.
Sport ''Yellow'' Shocks come with adjustment knob for easy adjustment on the fly.

 

[Your new god]

Do you both know anything about this subject? do you have access to a shock dyno to see what they do? no?

hmm. i guess your calibrated dyno is the best thing on the market. i look at it like this. street coil overs are a joke. too much spring, not enough damper. or vice versa. 99% of the average users end up lowering the car too low to be even remotely usable. then they lack the driving skill to even come close to being able use any suspension what so ever. 75% of the average users end up with stock bound and rebound settings found on most performance factory cars. i have seen it day in and day out.

AAS. nice copy and paste I really appreciate your opinion.

 

[Aikidoshadow]

Do you both know anything about this subject? do you have access to a shock dyno to see what they do? no?

hmm. i guess your calibrated dyno is the best thing on the market. i look at it like this. street coil overs are a joke. too much spring, not enough damper. or vice versa. 99% of the average users end up lowering the car too low to be even remotely usable. then they lack the driving skill to even come close to being able use any suspension what so ever. 75% of the average users end up with stock bound and rebound settings found on most performance factory cars. i have seen it day in and day out.

AAS. nice copy and paste I really appreciate your opinion.

Do you even have a delta chassis car? You don't have anything listed? What do you have? If you don't have ANY of the options that I mentioned, then you're driving a low end delta with NO suspension mods and then you really have no ground to stand on. Its difficult to form a discussion when all the opposing opinion has to offer is pure opinion. Give something to back this up, if you have been on the internet long enough you should have already known this was coming and should have some proof of your own. Otherwise you are making more of a claim than anyone else. I can appreciate being proven wrong believe me, but you have no proof. I have had a car on the FE3 setup and two the FE2 setup, the difference between drops on the B&G springs and the Eibach springs amongst the two setups that I have ran are very different with some similarities. Anyone can give an opinion come on.

 

[Your new god]

Do you even have a delta chassis car? You don't have anything listed? What do you have? If you don't have ANY of the options that I mentioned, then you're driving a low end delta with NO suspension mods and then you really have no ground to stand on. Its difficult to form a discussion when all the opposing opinion has to offer is pure opinion. Give something to back this up, if you have been on the internet long enough you should have already known this was coming and should have some proof of your own. Otherwise you are making more of a claim than anyone else. I can appreciate being proven wrong believe me, but you have no proof. I have had a car on the FE3 setup and two the FE2 setup, the difference between drops on the B&G springs and the Eibach springs amongst the two setups that I have ran are very different with some similarities. Anyone can give an opinion come on.

you are awefully quick to jump to conclusions junior.

 

[Cobalt Tom]

simmer down folks a friendly disagreement on setups or the ways it works is fine...but keep it from an all out brawl ya?

 

[warrenb213]

koni yellows and kyb agx's are pretty much known as the best stand alone shock's you can buy. i've always considered Koni the Intel of the shock world, and KYB the AMD.

Koni makes a great product. end of story.

 

[Aikidoshadow]

you are awefully quick to jump to conclusions junior.

haha that's an atypical response, I still stand with my previous question.
Don't worry Tom I don't get my drawers in a knot over internet opinions too often.

 

[Hailcesar75]

Where the he'll Is maven to resolve this!!!!

 

[Your new god]

haha that's an atypical response, I still stand with my previous question.
Don't worry Tom I don't get my drawers in a knot over internet opinions too often.

how about this one kiddo.

next time you want to make assumptions behind a computer screen. be sure you know what your getting into.

 

[Aikidoshadow]

how about this one kiddo.

next time you want to make assumptions behind a computer screen. be sure you know what your getting into.

Thats a nice car man, the TVS setups are finally getting out there enough to get their just deserts.

Im not making any assumptions and you have yet to show any proof. Seriously you have now made 5 or 6 posts, trolling with nothing helpful in this section. Looks like you know what you are doing alright, too bad you haven't helped this thread out.

You have a balt that looks like Area47s from the shortbuss, you probably are him judging by your unhelpful responses in tech threads in most forums with the exception of the shortbuss, I have now come to expect it unfortunately.
The SS/TC setup is very favored amongst ION and balt owners, I have heard plenty of good things about that setup with a preferred drop spring. The only problem for IONs is that we have to have the top strut mounts slightly modified to get them to fit as with any balt made strut application.

Now here are some pictures of my car or what Im pretending to be my car.

 

[CBodnar]

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[Aikidoshadow]

bleh

 

[Your new god]

Thats a nice car man, the TVS setups are finally getting out there enough to get their just deserts.

Im not making any assumptions and you have yet to show any proof. Seriously you have now made 5 or 6 posts, trolling with nothing helpful in this section. Looks like you know what you are doing alright, too bad you haven't helped this thread out.

You have a balt that looks like Area47s from the shortbuss, you probably are him judging by your unhelpful responses in tech threads in most forums with the exception of the shortbuss, I have now come to expect it unfortunately.
The SS/TC setup is very favored amongst ION and balt owners, I have heard plenty of good things about that setup with a preferred drop spring. The only problem for IONs is that we have to have the top strut mounts slightly modified to get them to fit as with any balt made strut application.

Now here are some pictures of my car or what Im pretending to be my car.

damn you're dense.

i leave you with a open invitation to come prove me wrong on a road course with koni's. yet, you think you're butt dyno is far more accurate? 90% of the coil overs on the market for the delta chassis are completely backwards in terms of being useful. the damper rates are based on oem production struts and shocks. the springs are over sprung for any street use. in the hands of amateurs, they lower them way to far which completely blows any sort of damper out of the window. then they try and make up for it by cranking what's left of the shaft travel to the moon to counteract a foolish mistake.

why is it people have this inert desire to drop a car to the ground and completely void any suspension travel what so ever and make the tires do all of the work?

 

[Aikidoshadow]

damn you're dense.

i leave you with a open invitation to come prove me wrong on a road course with koni's. yet, you think you're butt dyno is far more accurate? 90% of the coil overs on the market for the delta chassis are completely backwards in terms of being useful. the damper rates are based on oem production struts and shocks. the springs are over sprung for any street use. in the hands of amateurs, they lower them way to far which completely blows any sort of damper out of the window. then they try and make up for it by cranking what's left of the shaft travel to the moon to counteract a foolish mistake.

why is it people have this inert desire to drop a car to the ground and completely void any suspension travel what so ever and make the tires do all of the work?

Now I know its you. I'll take the pompous insult for the better of the board.
Thank you I have learned from previous experience that in order to get a real response with actual info, I have to get you riled up, near to the point of calling you out.

This is what I was asking for in the beginning. This is what you should have said in the beginning. Great answer and very well thought out and concise.

Now your reasons why one would chose to go with a lowering spring and SS/TC combo on your car are very sound. Seeing no need to adjust anything since you found that the set height and dampening from that setup will give you the optimal performance for a street/track combination. I agree on people getting coilovers and dumping them too low, really killing the purpose of having them. Thanks again.

 

[Your new god]

Now I know its you. I'll take the pompous insult for the better of the board.
Thank you I have learned from previous experience that in order to get a real response with actual info, I have to get you riled up, near to the point of calling you out.

This is what I was asking for in the beginning. This is what you should have said in the beginning. Great answer and very well thought out and concise.

Now your reasons why one would chose to go with a lowering spring and SS/TC combo on your car are very sound. Seeing no need to adjust anything since you found that the set height and dampening from that setup will give you the optimal performance for a street/track combination. I agree on people getting coilovers and dumping them too low, really killing the purpose of having them. Thanks again.

just because you do not have adjustment over the damper or ride height, does not mean you do not have control, or adjustment in other parts of the suspension.

as far as running coil overs on a street car, and why it's a bad idea. people being the way that they are, will not maintain any of them. they will not corner weight them and keep on top of basis suspension needs. K.I.S.S. keep it simple stupid.

makes life much easier.

 

[Aikidoshadow]

just because you do not have adjustment over the damper or ride height, does not mean you do not have control, or adjustment in other parts of the suspension.

as far as running coil overs on a street car, and why it's a bad idea. people being the way that they are, will not maintain any of them. they will not corner weight them and keep on top of basis suspension needs. K.I.S.S. keep it simple stupid.

makes life much easier.

I completely agree on that point. I know that I wouldn't have the time to properly adjust the height and/or dampening on coilovers or adjustable dampeners between SOLO runs and daily driving. I had been discussing the TC FE5 setup with another ION fella and that is what he went with for around $350 IIRC and stayed with drop springs.

Although I have heard from a few people that the Koni's dampening off the shelf were an upgrade to the SC FE5 setup with lowering springs. Koni is known for making good high quality parts. So do you think because they might have limited themselves to a design based off the OEM parts they shot themselves in the foot? I didn't think that would be a hurdle in Koni making replacements?

 

[Hailcesar75]

Both o you
STFU!!!!!!! End this crap now!!!